Author Topic: Daffy  (Read 2657 times)

Offline AmyAmy

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2017, 01:21:11 PM »
I've got nothing against Daffy, but this might be overhyping him a bit now...

I don't really agree that Daffy did a lot that was innovative. Some might not have seen those things before, but there are a tremendous number of stories out there, and an insane number of them were written before 2000, or even the mid nineties. There is very little new under the sun. To suggest he was "one of the first to do person2object" is a big claim. I don't think he was the first, even on the Plaza, though I imagine Gromet would be the one to ask about that.

I don't mean to put him down, simply not to put him up on a pedestal.

He wrote a lot of stories, yes I agree, but (I suspect) his entire body of work had a word count less than a single one of Rbbral's stories.

Anyone who wants to, please feel free to measure this, for all it would prove. Number of stories, quality of stories, innovation... Some will miss him more than others, that is for sure. He definitely has his fans.

Daffy has gone from the Plaza, for whatever reasons he has, but it's up to him. It's a decision he made. If he wants to return, he can.
If he wants to come back with some awesome stories that make us rethink everything we ever thought we knew about kinks, he can.

What I have noticed is that the trash enthusiasts are an active bunch on the forums. Does that mean that good trash stories are still appearing here? I suspect it may.

Offline PolytheneWrappedMe

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 04:05:13 PM »
This is not a competition, Amy.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they differ from your own.

You are entitled to yours, as I am to mine.

Let's treat each other with respect, please.



Offline Lobo De la Sombra

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2017, 06:04:57 AM »
Personally, I have no interest in trashcan stories.  Not that I'm against the concept, I simply have no interest there.  That being said, I also have nothing against Daffy.  In fact, I have about five and a half pages of PM's from him, stretching from December of 2015 for about a year, and probably at least that many messages to him.  I wasn't happy when he left, but that was his choice.  In the future, whether he decides to come back or to stay away, that will also be his choice.  From our private talks, he knows my opinion of him, so I won't say anything about that here.  What I will say is, if he does decide to come back, there will be a place for him, just as there is a place here for anyone who enjoys any of our varied areas of interest.  Never forget, people, that you are all entitled to voice your thoughts and opinions, so long as you do it in a way that respects the rules of this forum.  At the same time, never forget that there are real, live people on the other side of your screen, with thoughts, opinions and feelings of their own.  Please try to respect them, just as you would want them to respect yours.
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Offline AmyAmy

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2017, 02:45:59 PM »
PolytheneWrappedMe, I'm so sorry.

I definitely didn't mean to be disrespectful. I certainly didn't mean to give the impression I have anything against you, or Daffy, or his stories.
Honestly, I didn't think I'd done those things, but now I'm second guessing myself.

Clearly, I must have upset you, and I feel awful about it.


I don't mean to come across negative. So if it seemed a bit troubling, just tell me honestly what I did wrong, so I can try and be better in the future. There's no need to skirt around it, if you need to reprimand me, or tell me I've gone too far, or said something confronting, or that you think I'm an opinionated idiot, there's no need at all to trouble everyone on the forum with it, you can always PM me.


Of course it's not a matter of opinion that shrinking, growth, and person to object are devices that have been in stories for hundreds of years, if not thousands.


PolytheneWrappedMe, I guess if Daffy was the one who introduced you to those ideas, he'll always have a special place in your heart as a writer. And maybe it was a bit harsh of me to suggest you were putting him on a pedestal. Likely, you were simply trying to raise awareness of his work so that others can enjoy it the way you have. But that's just a guess, maybe I'm way off?

Well either way, I regret the pedestal comment. I just wanted to say that I like Daffy, while keeping it in perspective.


I agree, it is only opinion that the number of stories a person has written has no special bearing on anything. It doesn't speak to how powerful they are, or the impact they have on others, which I think are the things that matter. Emily Bronte only published one book, but it made quite an impact.


As I said, Daffy certainly has his fans, but let's be optimistic about this, there are lots more stories appearing on the Plaza, and you never know when there will be one as good, or even better, than those Daffy stories that have gone away. And who knows? Maybe those Daffy stories may return one day. Or not. But if they don't, you still got to read them, and love them. You'll always have them with you, in a way.

And if they're not destined to return here, you could always ask him to repost them somewhere else.

Offline PolytheneWrappedMe

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 05:42:15 PM »
Thank you Lobo for your words of support.

Offline PolytheneWrappedMe

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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 05:54:15 PM »
Thank you Amy for saying sorry.

It has not tarnished your image, on the contrary, being kind enough to say sorry, says much about your kind and decent character.

I did not claim Daffy was the first to write person2object transformation stories here. I said "one of the first" (and that is on the Plaza, not elsewhere).  I said "one of the first" hoping not to offend, in case I missed the story that was actually the first. Up to then, the Transformation section seemed as though it was (almost ?) exclusively about sex change: m2f, and f2m. The idea of becoming an object appealed to me, as I view objectification as the most extreme submissive act. A slave can disobey, an object has no choice.

Story length is subjective. I know readers who have shorter attention spans and like stories to get to the point, and other readers who prefer a longer build up. Short or long stories are neither good or bad, just cater for different tastes and needs.

Certainly in the Trashcan world he introduced lots of new stuff. But he wrote in several genres. He also mixed genres as his stories often contained elements from different sections.

No harm done.

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2017, 03:15:47 AM »
It must be said that there were far more times when I could no longer stomach his writing and stopped reading than when I found it taking me somewhere I was prepared to go to, to the point where I routinely exercised my choice not to read his work, the gain wasn't worth the pain, I'm simply not that masochistic. That might be seen as a personal choice, however as push did come to shove, I rather thank Gromet for his decisiveness. If Elmer Fudd finally shot the Duck, I'm not entirely sorry, therefore: perhaps put it down to a form of masochism on Daffy's part, having got rather too large for his boots.

Offline PolytheneWrappedMe

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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2017, 11:25:57 AM »
I think it is a major achievement for an author to provoke such a violent response years after he has disappeared.

He clearly GOT UNDER YOUR SKIN and RATTLED YOUR CAGE.

And you did not even like reading his stories. Wow !

Authors don't want to be ignored. All authors have fans and critics. You cannot put things in the public domain and not get a fair share of both.

But critics who do not bother to write stories themselves have little to grouse about. If you want better stories, write your own !   Rather than throw rocks at someone else who has bothered to get off his arse and write 150 stories in a dozen different genres.

I also note you have not read Gromet's comments. Gromet says a) he did not want Daffy to go, and b) he would welcome Daffy back (if only he had Daffy's current email address).

So carry on Tom. Maybe Daffy can live on forever, if we remember him so passionately.


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Re: Daffy
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2017, 11:57:07 PM »
God almighty!!! He doesn’t want to be here. Get over it. What next? Maybe make him a saint?

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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2017, 06:05:31 AM »
I'd like not to be antagonistic here, however as you don't know me, PWM, I don't see how you can say he got under my skin: I thought I'd made it clear that given a choice of taking or leaving him, I left him strictly alone.
My artistic medium is vocal - I'm a top backing singer, I've worked on stage with people like Goldie, Ariella Grande, Shlomo, David Byrne, so I don't see why I should have to publish here as a prerequisite to being to express an opinion, I'm afraid, people who don't sing come to hear me. I've had applause in my own right, it's out there on the web, leading the backing group doing the blow-off section of David's Atomic Bomb recording as I was the only performer from the backing group with experience of the HiLife style we were working in, which is why I got to frontline that choir of 180 singers doing every whit as important a section of work as Money Mark and the others. There are some who want me to go solo myself: having experience of the vocal profession which verges on the other scandals in film and theatre (I had to sort out the results of the Britten paedophilia scandal as an adolescent, laying the foundations of a choir which has produced a lot of pro vocalists, Florence Welch, Pixie Lott, Ed Simons among them), I chose not to, I perform for my pleasure as a resident vocalist at a major UK public venue and for not other peoples' wealth. I don't just sing, I mentor, and have written music too. That's what gives me a right to criticise on the terms you set.
I wasn't criticising his style, I was criticising his subjects, which I'm entitled to do as a member of his audience. He didn't address a void, he addressed people, readers here, and those people are therefore entitled to express an opinion of what they invest their time in. I simply said I reached the point where I found his work more often than not unpleasant in theme and so chose not to waste any more time on it: that I should say so says more about my appreciation of the Forum than about my disdain of him. I don't rap because I don't like the gang environment, "dissing hos" is exactly the kind of hate zone I dislike in Daffy's approach too, the closest I come is acappella beatboxing, to show the crossover: I was raised in an area, the edge of Brixton, where that was part of the culture, one I opposed and walked away from. I don't disagree with your comments on Gromet's right to pick and chose who he allows here, however, it's his site: I still wouldn't wish to read Daffy. Life's like that, some things are pleasant, some less so, we have the right to choose where we can.
If you can't stand criticism of your work, don't put it in the public domain. This is an open access site, so it is in the public domain: there are more private sites. Equally, you're as much entitled to a different opinion, I'm not criticising that, I'm defending my right to my own, as you crossed the line in trying to diss me.

Offline PolytheneWrappedMe

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2017, 11:39:38 AM »
Ummmmm.  Saint Daffy.  Has quite a ring to it.  LOL.

Yes, everyone is entitled to voice an opinion. Albeit negative feedback should still be respectful.

I don't understand why you feel compelled to write at such length, when the easy option is to chose not to read it.

There are several genres here which don't float my boat, but I don't write War And Peace saying how this author is crap and that one is rubbish. I simply don't read the stories.

Just because one person hates something or likes something, does not mean we all do. We are all different.

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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2017, 10:47:40 PM »
Yes, I agree, thank you. I's a very good thing we are different, and I don't read them, as I said. However, silence implies accord when I dissent. I don't particularly care to analyze why I don't, which does go some way in that direction, it's slightly more than simple distaste, I feel he goes to places which transgress some of my absolute boundaries, the points at which I stop. Some people have even tighter norms, and they shift over time: perhaps it's because we've established a degree of liberality and the next generation are building off that. However, I also believe there are points where we should stop under any and all conditions: these are the points at which the moderators have to intervene. Another approach is to say, when it stops being fun and loving, stop. The safety word principle, in effect: fair enough, it's fiction, however even fiction drives reality.

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Re: Daffy
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2017, 04:24:39 AM »
The moderator is intervening, this conversation has gone on long enough.

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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2017, 08:34:59 AM »
Totally agree, time to move on from St Daffy. As I have with the Plaza.

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