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General Discussion / Re: reluctant?
« Last post by MaxRoper on May 28, 2017, 05:24:59 PM »
I believe the "childhood memory" exclusion clause may be related to the understanding that a lot of us are curious about where our fetishes originated. Many (most?) have some sort of childhood experiences that spawned our current desires and kinkiness. I've written many times about my early bondage-related games but have sent little of that to the Plaza. In my early tale, The Agency, there are two small vignettes at the end called His Story and Her Story which are the only such things in my Plaza oeuvre.

It's a very fine line between offering childhood memories as a reason for current interests, and using children to titillate. I understand and approve of erring on the side of caution. I use my "memory tales" only as a personal excursion into my origins and no longer share any of that except occasionally in one-on-one conversations.

Max
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General Discussion / Re: reluctant?
« Last post by 64Fordman on May 28, 2017, 03:05:08 PM »
In the early days of the Plaza stories were coded by Gromet and the story code list was a reference for visitors. Today stories are mostly self-coded by the author. I am currently working on an expanded list that will act as a writer’s guide to coding.

I have to agree with Amy, story codes are a hold-over from the newsgroups. I believe a one paragraph synopsis provided by the author, much like the dust jacket of a novel, would be more beneficial to readers, but as story codes are used by most sites and readers are familiar with them coding will continue for the foreseeable future.

To the caveat question, I believe those exist for legal reasons as the servers that host the Plaza are in Germany and Switzerland.
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I had a fuzzy recollection of the mattress "performance".

I love her explanation of what Jackson Pollock's paintings tell us.
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Other Worlds Discussion / Re: Human car wash
« Last post by jackierabbit1 on May 28, 2017, 07:05:12 AM »
I loved the picture, and the bindings Fordman, but the clothing would just be in the way.

Thanks for sharing, Jackie.
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General Discussion / Re: reluctant?
« Last post by AmyAmy on May 28, 2017, 05:22:05 AM »
And if you look at the caveats to the guidelines, there is one that I wonder at:

I will allow memories of childhood bondage to be used, as long as it's between similar age groups. And as long as it's clearly established that the adult character is remembering their early experiences and it's only a background to the main story.

Do we really need this? I don't think disguising it as a "memory" stops it being what it is at all. Clearly, it's more important how it's presented, and what level of detail is used. Is it titillating or pornographic? Or is it simply narration of past horrors, clearly such, not visited in detail?

As it happens, I don't think I've come across a Plaza story that does this (no doubt there is at least one), but apparently it was important enough to get its own special get-out clause. Does anyone know why?
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General Discussion / Re: reluctant?
« Last post by AmyAmy on May 28, 2017, 05:15:18 AM »
This comes back to the issues presented in the "reluct n/c" thread that started before the forum crash.

I've quoted some of the writer's guide below, as a reminder. They are Gromet's rules. He made them, he abides by them voluntarily, and they mean whatever he means them to mean...

Gromet's primary justification for including rape or non-consensual acts is when they are "fantasy".

The same applies to the story codes, they are applied by Gromet as a best effort in consistency, but it's hard for anyone else to know exactly where he draws the line on n/c. Personally, I have queried why "reluct" appears on many stories that go far beyond mere reluctance, and perhaps I'm being obtuse, but I didn't really understand the explanation.

In fact, I was so baffled by the response, that I have made the issue of reluctance, and the dividing line between coercion and consent the focus of all my stories since.

I think if the guidelines are going to be as they are, then we need to ask questions about their definition, and what benefits they bring to Plaza readers. And to do that we need to understand the meaning of the language used to formulate them. I think that leads into a discussion of what the story-codes are supposed to signify, and what they actually mean, and whether those two things are the same.

The story-code approach has its roots in old news groups, and those news groups were (by and large) tightly genre focused. The codes were never designed to distinguish the most important components of a story, such as genre or tone. They serve this to some extent, in that there are the x, xx, xxx letters for explicitness, but a sweet romance might be explicit, while a violent rape might be described quite sketchily, and so we're back depending on Gromet's personal interpretation when those codes are set, and there is no way around that, it's inherent in the system.

I have the vague sense that Gromet is slowly heading towards some kind of keyword system, as found in many other places. This will fix some problems for readers, but like story-codes, it's subjective, and there's no way around that problem, no matter what system you have. The main advantage of keywords is for people hunting for material in the archive, who would benefit immensely.

My intuition is that the writer's guide is simply designed as a hint to that authors should not write stuff that is too far off the tone of the rest of the Plaza. Ultimately, it's entirely subjective, and because of the caveats it does involve a bit of mind reading.

It bothers me a little, because from time to time, I come across a story that contains highly extreme n/c material that I feel lacks any redeeming qualities. I would have been thankful for some up-front clue that such a story was a bit borderline.

There are other cases, where I believe the absolute guidelines have been breached. For example, use of children in stories, and my complaints were disregarded without response. Due to the lack of engagement in this issue, my confidence in the Plaza has been eroding, and I feel increasingly motivated to comment on the encroachment of dark stories that are pure titillation, with no redeeming features. I also find my motivation to write under such circumstances, considerably diminished.


The plaza writers guide says:

What type of stories don't you use?
Any stories containing:


    Paedophilia, sex, abuse, incest or eroticism involving children under 18.
    Underage: Descriptions or depictions of child sexual abuse or any other exploitative or offensive descriptions or depictions involving a person who is, or appears to be, a child under 18 years.
    Rape or non-consensual forced acts of a sexual nature.
    Bestiality or sexual acts involving animals (not vore)
    Incest stories are not welcome on the Plaza & is a crime in most countries
    Drug Use, any scenes that promote illicit drug use.
    Human Toilet, defecation or anything to do with Feces; also known as scat, scatophilia or fecophiliascat play. Also include vomit.
    Necrophilia, interfering with a corpse.
    Extreme Scenes. involving torture, mutilation or stories involving murder or brutal acts that cause the death or serious injury of the character.
    (a) an act which threatens a person’s life,
    (b) an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals,
    (c) rape or other non-consensual penetrative sexual activity,
    (d) an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse,
    (e) a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive), and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real.

But I've seen some stories containing this?

    Yes there are some stories containing death, but these usually involve fantasy and are non-violent in nature, also some stories were posted to the site before these guides were in place.
    There are some sections of the site that have stories where the character dies, Vore being one subject, but there should be no graphic description of the death scene.
    There are also some containing non-consensual acts but again these are fantasy. All non-consensual act stories are marked with 'nc' in the storycodes.
    There are NO stories containing pedophilia, sexual abuse or eroticism involving children, if do you see any please let me know.
    The legal age for all characters on the Plaza will now be 18 years, stories that use characters younger than this will now be rejected or requested that the author rewrite those scenes.
    I will allow memories of childhood bondage to be used, as long as it's between similar age groups. And as long as it's clearly established that the adult character is remembering their early experiences and it's only a background to the main story.
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Other Worlds Discussion / Petgirl Movie
« Last post by 64Fordman on May 28, 2017, 01:02:31 AM »
I came across this movie that looks interesting for the petgirl fans.

The Pet (2006)
Stares Pierre Du lat, Andrea Edmondson

IMDb synopsis
A young woman in dire financial straits accepts an offer to be a wealthy aristocrat's human "pet" for six months. Then ruthless modern "pet-nappers" kidnap the woman to sell her on the GSM (Global Slave Market).

Official Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC-18QM_-XU
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General Discussion / Re: Monica's Place - Reading Again - Nonconsentuality
« Last post by Arkane on May 27, 2017, 07:45:13 PM »
If I had my guess you probably made it as far as Monica's Travels (World tour from Australia to Los Angeles or Monica & the Black Fortress (set mostly in India). It was these two stories that began the more prominent 'darker' storyline that lasted through the end of the series.

I really don't know, and sure "extreme" and "darkness" are two elements in which some authors dive too often... but I don't care about morality of the story, if the story is good.

Personally I hate when the bad guys win or they are not punished, but this is a fact of life.
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General Discussion / Re: Monica's Place - Reading Again - Nonconsentuality
« Last post by Loras Pa6 on May 27, 2017, 07:30:13 PM »
At first this story was exciting, harsh scenes included. Then it became boring and repetitive, and it seemed to me that the author felt the need to up the ante continuously, to increase the tortures and sufferances, but it didn't make effect (to me).
I don't remember where I stopped, but I didn't read the whole serie.

If I had my guess you probably made it as far as Monica's Travels (World tour from Australia to Los Angeles or Monica & the Black Fortress (set mostly in India). It was these two stories that began the more prominent 'darker' storyline that lasted through the end of the series.
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General Discussion / Re: reluctant?
« Last post by Arkane on May 27, 2017, 06:49:35 PM »
I have no problem with NC but every place has its own rules and this one makes no exception.

But...
Maybe the rules should be implemented in a constant, balanced way, and the author being excluded from publication (which happened to me) should receive an explanation note (did I break some rule? The story sucked so bad? My english was not good enough?).

Search by story codes could be a good thing if implemented. People receiving a shock from the content they read should remember that, all in all, they are reading porn [or "explicit erotic writings," if you feel the p word should be skipped here].
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